Entrenamiento SnG Danport 7/12/2010

    • Danport
      Danport
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      Vaya con el shorthanded...

      Es difícil que los villanos jueguen peor y aún así no hay manera de terminar en positivo.

      En fin, si las leyes de la probabilidad son ciertas (y lo son) en algún momento se revertirán los resultados...

      Luego el resumen.

      Saludos.
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    • Danport
      Danport
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      Vaya tela...

      1.

      No Limit Holdem Tournament
      PokerStars
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
      $6.00+$0.50

      Stacks:
      UTG sixecco (2,040)
      UTG+1 MJACE (1,210)
      CO racso100170 (1,590)
      BTN Hero (1,145)
      SB Monika0724 (1,735)
      BB Demone60 (1,280)

      Blinds: 25/50

      Pre-Flop: (75, 6 players) Hero is BTN A:heart: K:heart:
      sixecco calls 50, MJACE raises to 250, 1 fold, Hero goes all-in 1,145, 2 folds, sixecco goes all-in 2,040, MJACE folds

      Flop: 6:spade: 7:diamond: Q:spade: (3,510, 2 players, 2 all-in)

      Turn: 10:club: (3,510, 2 players, 2 all-in)

      River: 7:spade: (3,510, 2 players, 2 all-in)

      Final Pot: 3,510
      Hero shows a pair of Sevens
      A:heart: K:heart:
      sixecco shows a flush, Ace high
      K:spade: A:spade:

      sixecco wins 3,510 (net +1,470)

      Hero lost 1,145
      MJACE lost 250

      2.

      No Limit Holdem Tournament
      PokerStars
      3 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
      $6.00+$0.50

      Stacks:
      BTN Hero (1,190)
      SB Vetal646 (5,745)
      BB 100%M100% (2,065)

      Blinds: 75/150

      Pre-Flop: (225, 3 players) Hero is BTN 8:club: 8:spade:
      Hero raises to 600, Vetal646 folds, 100%M100% goes all-in 2,065, Hero goes all-in 590

      Flop: Q:heart: 3:club: 4:heart: (3,330, 2 players, 2 all-in)

      Turn: J:club: (3,330, 2 players, 2 all-in)

      River: 10:club: (3,330, 2 players, 2 all-in)

      Final Pot: 3,330
      Hero shows a pair of Eights
      8:club: 8:spade:
      100%M100% shows a straight, Ten to Ace
      K:diamond: A:club:

      100%M100% wins 3,330 (net +1,265)

      Hero lost 1,190

      3.

      No Limit Holdem Tournament
      PokerStars
      4 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
      $6.00+$0.50

      Stacks:
      CO notnaa (1,533)
      BTN Hero (1,875)
      SB rfp7204 (3,542)
      BB Kingston.exe (2,050)

      Blinds: 75/150

      Pre-Flop: (225, 4 players) Hero is BTN 10:diamond: A:diamond:
      1 fold, Hero goes all-in 1,875, 1 fold, Kingston.exe calls 1,725

      Flop: 2:diamond: 2:heart: Q:spade: (3,825, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      Turn: 3:heart: (3,825, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      River: J:club: (3,825, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      Final Pot: 3,825
      Kingston.exe shows two pair, Queens and Deuces
      Q:diamond: A:club:
      Hero shows a pair of Deuces
      10:diamond: A:diamond:

      Kingston.exe wins 3,825 (net +1,950)

      Hero lost 1,875

      4.

      No Limit Holdem Tournament
      PokerStars
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
      $6.00+$0.50

      Stacks:
      UTG stubdawg (1,430)
      UTG+1 Hero (1,350)
      CO FeskKaka (1,620)
      BTN bestinirelan (1,410)
      SB robru (1,620)
      BB SeeleMille (1,570)

      Blinds: 10/20

      Pre-Flop: (30, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 A:spade: K:spade:
      stubdawg calls 20, Hero raises to 100, 1 fold, bestinirelan calls 100, 1 fold, SeeleMille goes all-in 1,570, stubdawg folds, Hero goes all-in 1,250, bestinirelan goes all-in 1,310

      Flop: 6:club: 10:diamond: 9:spade: (4,360, 3 players, 3 all-in)

      Turn: 8:spade: (4,360, 3 players, 3 all-in)

      River: Q:diamond: (4,360, 3 players, 3 all-in)

      Final Pot: 4,360
      SeeleMille shows a straight, Eight to Queen
      J:diamond: J:spade:
      Hero shows high card Ace
      A:spade: K:spade:
      bestinirelan shows high card Ace
      A:heart: K:club:

      SeeleMille wins 4,360 (net +2,790)

      stubdawg lost 20
      Hero lost 1,350
      bestinirelan lost 1,410

      5.

      No Limit Holdem Tournament
      PokerStars
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
      $6.00+$0.50

      Stacks:
      UTG Sonny Schorr (1,610)
      UTG+1 ttiittiieess (1,265)
      CO Hero (1,400)
      BTN Q4fun (1,110)
      SB sualk68 (2,955)
      BB dpaul529 (660)

      Blinds: 15/30

      Pre-Flop: (45, 6 players) Hero is CO A:diamond: J:diamond:
      2 folds, Hero raises to 90, Q4fun calls 90, sualk68 raises to 150, 1 fold, Hero calls 60, Q4fun calls 60

      Flop: 8:heart: 2:club: A:club: (480, 3 players)
      sualk68 bets 120, Hero raises to 300, Q4fun folds, sualk68 calls 180

      Turn: 5:club: (1,080, 2 players)
      sualk68 checks, Hero bets 750, sualk68 calls 750

      River: 10:diamond: (2,580, 2 players)
      sualk68 checks, Hero goes all-in 200, sualk68 calls 200

      Final Pot: 2,980
      Hero shows a pair of Aces
      A:diamond: J:diamond:
      sualk68 shows a pair of Kings
      K:club: K:heart:

      Hero wins 2,980 (net +1,580)

      Q4fun lost 150
      sualk68 lost 1,400

      6.

      No Limit Holdem Tournament
      PokerStars
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
      $6.00+$0.50

      Stacks:
      UTG sualk68 (2,730)
      UTG+1 dpaul529 (145)
      CO Sonny Schorr (1,010)
      BTN ttiittiieess (1,165)
      SB Hero (2,880)
      BB Q4fun (1,070)

      Blinds: 50/100

      Pre-Flop: (150, 6 players) Hero is SB A:diamond: A:heart:
      1 fold, dpaul529 goes all-in 145, 2 folds, Hero calls 95, Q4fun calls 45

      Flop: K:heart: 8:diamond: A:club: (435, 3 players, 1 all-in)
      Hero checks, Q4fun checks

      Turn: K:diamond: (435, 3 players, 1 all-in)
      Hero bets 100, Q4fun raises to 200, Hero raises to 300, Q4fun raises to 400, Hero raises to 500, Q4fun raises to 600, Hero raises to 700, Q4fun raises to 800, Hero raises to 900, Q4fun goes all-in 925, Hero calls 25

      River: 3:heart: (2,285, 3 players, 2 all-in)

      Final Pot: 2,285
      Hero shows a full house, Aces full of Kings
      A:diamond: A:heart:
      Q4fun shows three of a kind, Kings
      2:diamond: K:spade:
      dpaul529 shows two pair, Aces and Kings
      8:spade: A:spade:

      Hero wins 2,285 (net +1,215)

      Q4fun lost 1,070
      dpaul529 lost 145

      7.

      No Limit Holdem Tournament
      PokerStars
      3 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
      $6.00+$0.50

      Stacks:
      BTN Sonny Schorr (660)
      SB Hero (4,520)
      BB sualk68 (3,820)

      Blinds: 75/150

      Pre-Flop: (225, 3 players) Hero is SB J:diamond: A:diamond:
      Sonny Schorr folds, Hero raises to 450, sualk68 calls 300

      Flop: A:heart: 2:club: 4:heart: (900, 2 players)
      Hero bets 600, sualk68 calls 600

      Turn: 3:heart: (2,100, 2 players)
      Hero checks, sualk68 bets 750, Hero calls 750

      River: Q:club: (3,600, 2 players)
      Hero checks, sualk68 bets 750, Hero calls 750

      Final Pot: 5,100
      Hero shows a pair of Aces
      J:diamond: A:diamond:
      sualk68 shows a pair of Deuces
      2:heart: J:club:

      Hero wins 5,100 (net +2,550)

      sualk68 lost 2,550

      8.

      No Limit Holdem Tournament
      PokerStars
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
      $6.00+$0.50

      Stacks:
      UTG #9 Diamant (1,015)
      UTG+1 Berra98 (1,675)
      CO Wombel89 (1,410)
      BTN Hero (1,670)
      SB plkicker (1,545)
      BB jellden (1,685)

      Blinds: 25/50

      Pre-Flop: (75, 6 players) Hero is BTN 3:diamond: 3:club:
      #9 Diamant calls 50, 2 folds, Hero calls 50, 1 fold, jellden checks

      Flop: 10:diamond: 6:heart: 3:heart: (175, 3 players)
      jellden checks, #9 Diamant bets 150, Hero raises to 300, jellden folds, #9 Diamant calls 150

      Turn: K:spade: (775, 2 players)
      #9 Diamant checks, Hero bets 300, #9 Diamant goes all-in 665, Hero calls 365

      River: 8:spade: (2,105, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      Final Pot: 2,105
      #9 Diamant shows a pair of Tens
      10:club: Q:spade:
      Hero shows three of a kind, Threes
      3:diamond: 3:club:

      Hero wins 2,105 (net +1,090)

      jellden lost 50
      #9 Diamant lost 1,015

      9.

      No Limit Holdem Tournament
      PokerStars
      3 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
      $6.00+$0.50

      Stacks:
      BTN jellden (5,805)
      SB Wombel89 (1,835)
      BB Hero (1,360)

      Blinds: 100/200

      Pre-Flop: (300, 3 players) Hero is BB K:heart: 8:spade:
      jellden folds, Wombel89 goes all-in 1,835, Hero goes all-in 1,160

      Flop: J:spade: Q:club: 6:spade: (3,195, 2 players, 2 all-in)

      Turn: 9:diamond: (3,195, 2 players, 2 all-in)

      River: K:club: (3,195, 2 players, 2 all-in)

      Final Pot: 3,195
      Wombel89 shows a straight, Nine to King
      10:club: Q:heart:
      Hero shows a pair of Kings
      K:heart: 8:spade:

      Wombel89 wins 3,195 (net +1,360)

      Hero lost 1,360

      10.

      No Limit Holdem Tournament
      PokerStars
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
      $6.00+$0.50

      Stacks:
      UTG eimerJ9 (1,600)
      UTG+1 DucksGood (90)
      CO Rudi 0000 (1,370)
      BTN venclub (1,490)
      SB Hero (1,420)
      BB ARLINGTON_AL (3,030)

      Blinds: 15/30

      Pre-Flop: (45, 6 players) Hero is SB Q:heart: J:diamond:
      2 folds, Rudi 0000 calls 30, 1 fold, Hero calls 15, ARLINGTON_AL checks

      Flop: 6:heart: J:club: J:heart: (90, 3 players)
      Hero bets 90, ARLINGTON_AL calls 90, Rudi 0000 folds

      Turn: 8:heart: (270, 2 players)
      Hero bets 240, ARLINGTON_AL raises to 480, Hero calls 240

      River: K:heart: (1,230, 2 players)
      Hero checks, ARLINGTON_AL goes all-in 2,430, Hero goes all-in 820

      Final Pot: 4,480
      Hero shows a flush, King high - Queen higher
      Q:heart: J:diamond:
      ARLINGTON_AL shows a flush, King high
      7:heart: 10:heart:

      Hero wins 2,870 (net +1,450)

      ARLINGTON_AL collects 1,610 (net -1,420)
      Rudi 0000 lost 30

      11.

      No Limit Holdem Tournament
      PokerStars
      5 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
      $6.00+$0.50

      Stacks:
      UTG Rudi 0000 (985)
      CO venclub (760)
      BTN Hero (3,170)
      SB ARLINGTON_AL (1,075)
      BB eimerJ9 (3,010)

      Blinds: 75/150

      Pre-Flop: (225, 5 players) Hero is BTN 9:spade: 9:club:
      1 fold, venclub goes all-in 760, Hero goes all-in 3,170, ARLINGTON_AL goes all-in 1,000, 1 fold

      Flop: 9:heart: K:club: 8:heart: (5,155, 3 players, 3 all-in)

      Turn: 4:club: (5,155, 3 players, 3 all-in)

      River: 7:spade: (5,155, 3 players, 3 all-in)

      Final Pot: 5,155
      venclub shows a pair of Deuces
      2:diamond: 2:club:
      Hero shows three of a kind, Nines
      9:spade: 9:club:
      ARLINGTON_AL shows a pair of Fours
      Q:diamond: 4:diamond:

      Hero wins 5,155 (net +1,985)

      venclub lost 760
      ARLINGTON_AL lost 1,075

      12.

      No Limit Holdem Tournament
      PokerStars
      2 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
      $6.00+$0.50

      Stacks:
      SB Hero (7,259)
      BB eimerJ9 (1,741)

      Blinds: 100/200

      Pre-Flop: (300, 2 players) Hero is SB Q:heart: Q:diamond:
      Hero calls 100, eimerJ9 checks

      Flop: 3:heart: 2:club: J:diamond: (400, 2 players)
      eimerJ9 checks, Hero bets 200, eimerJ9 goes all-in 1,541, Hero calls 1,341

      Turn: A:diamond: (3,482, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      River: 5:club: (3,482, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      Final Pot: 3,482
      Hero shows a pair of Queens
      Q:heart: Q:diamond:
      eimerJ9 shows a straight, Ace to Five
      7:spade: 4:spade:

      eimerJ9 wins 3,482 (net +1,741)

      Hero lost 1,741

      13.

      No Limit Holdem Tournament
      PokerStars
      2 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
      $6.00+$0.50

      Stacks:
      SB Hero (5,118)
      BB eimerJ9 (3,882)

      Blinds: 100/200

      Pre-Flop: (300, 2 players) Hero is SB 5:club: 10:heart:
      Hero calls 100, eimerJ9 checks

      Flop: A:diamond: 5:spade: 2:club: (400, 2 players)
      eimerJ9 checks, Hero bets 200, eimerJ9 calls 200

      Turn: Q:diamond: (800, 2 players)
      eimerJ9 checks, Hero bets 400, eimerJ9 raises to 800, Hero calls 400

      River: J:spade: (2,400, 2 players)
      eimerJ9 bets 800, Hero calls 800

      Final Pot: 4,000
      Hero shows
      5:club: 10:heart:
      eimerJ9 shows two pair, Queens and Deuces
      Q:heart: 2:heart:

      eimerJ9 wins 4,000 (net +2,000)

      Hero lost 2,000

      14.

      No Limit Holdem Tournament
      PokerStars
      2 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
      $6.00+$0.50

      Stacks:
      SB eimerJ9 (4,557)
      BB Hero (4,443)

      Blinds: 200/400 Ante 25

      Pre-Flop: (650, 2 players) Hero is BB K:heart: 10:spade:
      eimerJ9 calls 200, Hero checks

      Flop: 4:spade: 6:diamond: 10:diamond: (850, 2 players)
      Hero checks, eimerJ9 checks

      Turn: 2:diamond: (850, 2 players)
      Hero bets 800, eimerJ9 raises to 1,600, Hero calls 800

      River: 6:club: (4,050, 2 players)
      Hero checks, eimerJ9 goes all-in 2,532, Hero goes all-in 2,418

      Final Pot: 9,000
      Hero shows two pair, Tens and Sixes
      K:heart: 10:spade:
      eimerJ9 shows a pair of Sixes
      8:club: 7:spade:

      Hero wins 8,886 (net +4,443)

      eimerJ9 collects 114 (net -4,443)


      15.

      No Limit Holdem Tournament
      PokerStars
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
      $6.00+$0.50

      Stacks:
      UTG Jos180 (2,530)
      UTG+1 adawgg88 (2,495)
      CO crysty26 (1,420)
      BTN Hero (1,215)
      SB Sedoy8452 (1,080)
      BB a3thing (260)

      Blinds: 75/150

      Pre-Flop: (225, 6 players) Hero is BTN K:spade: A:club:
      Jos180 raises to 300, 2 folds, Hero goes all-in 1,215, 1 fold, a3thing goes all-in 110, Jos180 calls 915

      Flop: 8:diamond: 5:heart: 5:diamond: (2,765, 3 players, 2 all-in)

      Turn: Q:spade: (2,765, 3 players, 2 all-in)

      River: 7:diamond: (2,765, 3 players, 2 all-in)

      Final Pot: 2,765
      Hero shows a pair of Fives
      K:spade: A:club:
      a3thing shows a pair of Fives
      10:club: 2:spade:
      Jos180 shows two pair, Jacks and Fives
      J:heart: J:spade:

      Jos180 wins 2,765 (net +1,550)

      Hero lost 1,215
      a3thing lost 260

      16.

      No Limit Holdem Tournament
      PokerStars
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
      $6.00+$0.50

      Stacks:
      UTG aapenootje (1,500)
      UTG+1 AcesInTheBig (1,490)
      CO stugotz427 (1,380)
      BTN adawgg88 (1,530)
      SB jaaj (1,620)
      BB Hero (1,480)

      Blinds: 10/20

      Pre-Flop: (30, 6 players) Hero is BB K:club: K:diamond:
      aapenootje calls 20, 1 fold, stugotz427 calls 20, 1 fold, jaaj calls 10, Hero raises to 200, aapenootje calls 180, stugotz427 folds, jaaj calls 180

      Flop: J:spade: 10:spade: 3:diamond: (620, 3 players)
      jaaj checks, Hero goes all-in 1,280, aapenootje calls 1,280, jaaj folds

      Turn: 6:heart: (3,180, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      River: 3:heart: (3,180, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      Final Pot: 3,180
      aapenootje shows three of a kind, Threes
      3:spade: A:spade:
      Hero shows two pair, Kings and Threes
      K:club: K:diamond:

      aapenootje wins 3,180 (net +1,700)

      stugotz427 lost 20
      jaaj lost 200
      Hero lost 1,480

      Salu2
    • playersnake
      playersnake
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      Registro: 12-08-2009 Artículos: 1.081
      mano 4

      He echo los calculos del ev paso a paso viendo el video de icm que hiciste (me he currado el analisis de la mano jeje) los he revisado varias ceces y creo que estan bien:



      Ahora vamos con el equilator:




      Como puedes ver en el equilator no tienes la equity minima necesaria para que tu movimiento sea rentable

      Espero no haberme equivocado por que me llevó su tiempo
    • playersnake
      playersnake
      Bronce
      Registro: 12-08-2009 Artículos: 1.081
      Dijiste que era una barbaridad lo que dije de la calculadora y no soy un mentiroso:
      Como ves estos datos no se corresponden con la realidad



      en una hora no juegas 4 sits de sh turbo de uno en uno jugandolos razonable
    • Danport
      Danport
      Administrador jefe
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      Hola playersnake.

      Lo de la barbaridad me parece que es un malentendido.



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      Esta era la barbaridad a la que nos referiamos :)

      Ya te comenté en el entrenamiento que no había estudiado en profundidad la calculadora de PokerStars y que la miraría antes de opinar.

      De todas formas, de la captura que has puesto, lo que yo deduzco (y a lo mejor estoy equivocado) es que te muestran los datos con los que han hecho la estimación.

      Es decir que asumen 4 sits de shorthanded turbo por hora para sus cálculos (lo que no me parece una barbaridad).

      Si juegas más o menos sits por hora habrá que reevaluar, pero ya hay un punto de partida.

      De todas formas creo que no es necesario ponerse tan a la defensiva.

      Nadie te llamó mentiroso y no creo que tampoco nadie piense que lo seas.

      En todo caso puede haber un error de interpretación de como funciona la calculadora VIP por mi parte, por la tuya o por la de ambos, pero nada más.

      Un saludo!
    • Danport
      Danport
      Administrador jefe
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      Hola PlayerSnake.

      Sobre la mano de ICM:

      Como te comenté en el entrenamiento no tenemos información suficiente para definir el rango del jugador que únicamente paga nuestra primera apuesta.

      Puede tener suited conectors, Ax suited cualquier pareja...

      De hecho yo descartaría que tuviera premiums como AA, KK o incluso QQ por no haber resubido preflop.

      También debemos valorar que es poco probable que tenga una mano con la que inicialmente no resuba y luego pague 2 all-in...

      Otro elemento que habría que considerar son las fichas ya invertidas.

      Si sacamos las conclusiones únicamente valorando la situación que nos queda en caso de ganar o perder la mano, no estaremos teniendo en cuenta lo que ya habíamos invertido y evidentemente esto también debe influir en nuestra decisión.

      Un saludo.