FR (Hasta NL25) 2 manos NL50

    • BBA546
      BBA546
      Bronce
      Registro: 08-09-2007 Artículos: 1.882
      MANO1 :
      $0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
      9 players
      Converted at weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG SoderPeter ($10.00)
      UTG+1 labaraka156 ($54.30)
      MP1 Reite0 ($52.25)
      MP2 GDeLL ($66.70)
      MP3 net32 ($13.75)
      CO KutilaPS ($9.95)
      BTN Hero ($51.25)
      SB Bullubullu ($40.75)
      BB Milton 1 ($43.25)

      Pre-flop: ($0.75, 9 players) Hero is BTN Q: Q:
      3 folds, GDeLL raises to $1.35, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, GDeLL calls $2.65

      Flop: :4s: :2d: :5s: ($8.75, 2 players)
      GDeLL checks, Hero bets $6.50, GDeLL raises to $18, Hero calls $11.50

      Turn: Q: ($44.75, 2 players)
      GDeLL bets $30, Hero goes all-in $29.25

      River: :2s: ($103.25, 2 players)

      Final Pot: $103.25


      MANO 2 :
      $0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
      9 players
      Converted at weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG MICKEYRR ($22.50)
      UTG+1 x.sebi.x ($51.00)
      MP1 RatofDeath ($10.00)
      MP2 Hero ($49.25)
      MP3 Olin Ola ($57.65)
      CO SoderPeter ($8.50)
      BTN motown867 ($47.70)
      SB deman bednij ($32.55)
      BB bermudascott ($25.50)

      Pre-flop: ($0.75, 9 players) Hero is MP2 K: J:
      3 folds, Hero raises to $2, 4 folds, bermudascott calls $1.50

      Flop: :2s: T: K: ($4.25, 2 players)
      bermudascott bets $3, Hero raises to $8, bermudascott goes all-in $23.50, Hero ?????

      no es mucho lo q tengo q pagar .... hero fold ???
  • 6 respuestas
    • caoqx
      caoqx
      Bronce
      Registro: 08-14-2007 Artículos: 23.819
      Mano 1

      No tenes reads del villano? A mi me cuesta mucho jugar manos asi, pero creo que la mejor manera de jugarla es hacer push o fold dependiendo del villano.

      Mano 2

      No se ve bien los palos, pero sin reads creo que es mejor hacer fold, ya que estamos dominado por KQ AK y el movimiento del villano parece mucho a set o combo-draw.
    • extremerage
      extremerage
      Bronce
      Registro: 07-03-2007 Artículos: 4.461
      Mano 1: Bien jugada
      Mano 2: Yo haría solo call en el flop para controlar el tamaño del bote

      Saludos
      Matías
    • caoqx
      caoqx
      Bronce
      Registro: 08-14-2007 Artículos: 23.819
      original de extremerage
      Mano 1: Bien jugada
      Mano 2: Yo haría solo call en el flop para controlar el tamaño del bote

      Saludos
      Matías
      Pero si hacemos call en la mano 1 y luego el villano nos mete un 2 barrel con una blank, foldeamos la mano? Si vamos a foldear ante un 2 barrel entonces no sera mejor foldearla en el flop?
    • BBA546
      BBA546
      Bronce
      Registro: 08-09-2007 Artículos: 1.882
      original de caoqx
      original de extremerage
      Mano 1: Bien jugada
      Mano 2: Yo haría solo call en el flop para controlar el tamaño del bote

      Saludos
      Matías
      Pero si hacemos call en la mano 1 y luego el villano nos mete un 2 barrel con una blank, foldeamos la mano? Si vamos a foldear ante un 2 barrel entonces no sera mejor foldearla en el flop?
      Yo tengo la mismda duda :P .
    • Mephisto89
      Mephisto89
      Black
      Registro: 08-15-2007 Artículos: 4.860
      1) must-do shove in a reraised pot on that flop

      2) your raise at the flop is just bad. almost evrything you got beat will fold an the most what got you beat will call or shove. if he got some like K9 such a middlestack guy will barrel it all 3 streets trough. but the big deal is, that he's gonna fold his bluffes. just flat call the flop and let him bluff.

      as played you have to stove that and calculate your odds.
      first of all you get odds by 1:2,03... that means you need at least 33% equity for a break even call.
      against his range, as showen below...

      Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

      34,650 games 0.005 secs 6,930,000 games/sec

      Board: 2s Th Kd
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 41.149% 32.20% 08.95% 11156 3102.00 { KhJh }
      Hand 1: 58.851% 49.90% 08.95% 17290 3102.00 { 22, KTs+, QJs, KTo+, QJo }

      ... you got enough equity against his pushingrange. i choose his pushingrange on purpuse that wide, because i think such a middlestack guy will play it that way (he wont have AK or TT, based on the preflop action). in fact i think he will push a little bit more wider; some like K9 too.

      if you think he will not shove on you with draws it's too an call, as you see below. this time i also put K9 in his range:
      Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

      30,690 games 0.005 secs 6,138,000 games/sec

      Board: 2s Th Kd
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 41.802% 31.38% 10.42% 9631 3198.00 { KhJh }
      Hand 1: 58.198% 47.78% 10.42% 14663 3198.00 { 22, K9s+, K9o+ }

      as you see it's an easy call now too. as i said, i think he's gonna shove at you with any K its and obv easier call that shoven above. i just chose that range to demonstrate you thats it's an call, even against a tighter range.
    • Alex4Ever
      Alex4Ever
      Bronce
      Registro: 11-28-2007 Artículos: 1.474
      mano 1 , sin duda reraise allin en el flop seguramente ha pagado solo con parejita media o lleva fd , contra ese rango de manos vamos por delante y no queremos regalar outs en un pot gigante

      En la mano 2 , no hay nada mas que comentar , ya lo han explicado todo perfectamente en el post anterior , lo que mas interesa es solo pagar para que no foldee sus bluffs

      saludos